I was wondering when you all started letting your kids do certain things. I'm thinking about: -brushing teeth by themselves -washing themselves (right now I mostly do it still) -showering vs. a bath (my kids have expressed interest, but I don't know that they are old enough to manage a shower??) -learning to tie shoes - not sure when to start working on this? I want my kids to be as independent as possible, but I don't want to frustrate them and me by trying to teach them things that are way above their age range. They turned 4 in December, and they can dress independently for the most part, but still struggle with socks, and DS2 can't do buttons yet. They can both do zippers, velcro shoes, gloves, etc. when I can keep them motivated to do it!!